shipping ports and they're flexing their muscles. >> absolutely, and they have the backing of the current administration, and i don't dismiss what jonas says that unions are going to these quote, unquote, highly skilled. i remember, i worked in a cardboard box factory, i had to join the teamsters and i worked as a supermarket cashier, i had to join the retail clerks union. so could it get to fast food? absolutely. you're right, brenda, it can because they're flexing their muscle and have the backing of the current political environment. >> brenda: larry. >> brenda, the younes need to reinvent themselves. if they need to get into my skilled jobs and earn higher wages and that's the key. >> you're right and the idea of organizing the lowest end of the structure here is, as jonas says, the average lifetime of employee i think is nine months in the fast food business so it's antithetical and-- >> these aren't coal mines and slaughter houses, brenda, these are folding sweaters at