votes, but in order to sort of get the votes going you need 60 votes and the filibuster is something the republicans use to stop that from ever happening, that deprive the party in power of the 60 votes they need and harry reid doesn't like it. now, when he was in the the minority, he felt a little differently, chris, but now he's on this campaign to seriously curtail the filibuster rights of the minority? >> well, that's for sure. and the calls have grown and grown among democrats for something it lessen the power of the minority to block legislation, basically what the filibuster does now is it prevents debate from ending on something and you can't move to the vote and as you say, once you get to the vote then you need a simple majority. if you can't close debate you can't ever get to the vote and becomes a moot point. now, republicans have used this and democrats used it to pretty good fact and the republicans at the senate, too. >> all the time. >> all the time. and it's to the majority, it's