figure out what you worked and what didn't on cyber offense and defense. >> correct. >> red team look at the penetration testing of the u.s. government networks. >> bret: for the average person out there, how serious is the cyber threat that the u.s. now faces? for private companies and the u.s. government? >> it's largeer for the private companies. where that is where most penetration is happening. >> is the u.s. good at defending? >> there is room for improvement. overall we are good -- >> the u.s. government. are we vuller inable? you hear horror stories about what could happen about the next threat could be nation
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