laws by ideological groups to advance political agendas. could that have translated into this process? maybe. but at this point we don't know who, what or why this outrageous set of car insurances happened -- occurrences happened, and we need more investigation. martha: so so far what we've got is the firing of an active commissioner of the irs who was ready the go in a few weeks anyway. and i hate -- we've been down this road before where the president claims he's outraged about something. he was outraged about the killing in benghazi, so it does raise a question, how serious, how far will he go in rooting out what he says is abominable behavior? >> and also, martha, you know, the whole question of taking responsibility. hillary clinton claims she takes responsibility on benghazi. president claims, okay, heads are going to roll over this irs investigation. what -- martha: what does it mean? >> exactly. does it just mean, well, my bad