category. >> come on. >> hear me out, bill. whole different category this vial than martin bashir was pedaling. sarah palin being target of of attacks. she used the term slavery to describe the national debt. made that analogy. fine to criticize her on that. that is fair game. >> you don't do it that way. you just say -- >> -- absolutely not. look at the contrast to alec baldwin. >> do you want to be frank, howard? sarah palin won't do this program. she won't come on the program because she doesn't want to -- speech, nobody gives speeches here. okay? so she doesn't come on. we invited her on tonight. you are in her stead. but i don't begrudge sarah palin that she can come on. if she doesn't come on, if she does come on, whatever she wants to do okay? fine. >> but. >> wait wait wait wait. there is a pattern of behavior. it's not msnbc, it's nbc news.