others. one armed with the hope he'll rise even in the end. it always astounded me as an observer how this man that endure s du much could remain a symbol of stability, calm, humility and warmth. it was a position we witness in so few people in our lives. >> without a doubt. i think that's exactly why at this moment you're talking about a worldwide fig yuurefigure. i remember when the united nations had the 50th anniversary, seeing mandela there among the world leaders. you could see the others interacting with him in a special way, different from anyone else. there was an understanding he somehow transended politics, he had as a human being been able to touch the hearts of everybody no matter what your political