hiring them. the interesting people to get fired are not obama employees but canadian company. contractors. kathleen sebelius is still running h.h.s. >> right to. your point about what they did, it's interesting that they took -- well, allegedly took kick backs. so referencing software, you get brought in on these government contracts and then you tell the government hey you should use this particular piece of technology. you should use this particular piece of software. and then when they actually end up implementing those pieces of software in the government, they get a little money on the side from those companies whose technology they implemented, so it will be interesting to see though they have another month yet they are being canned but still have another month to be up and running. if you don't want to be cynical about it they are the ones that actually built california's medical exchange web site and it's the only one that worked. they actually built it and it didn't have all of the problems that the main government's web site. >> the problem here isn't the software or othe contractor. it's the ideas behind