did before. and the american people should make no mistake, this is an p outward moving terrorist force. they are not going to establish a little state there, do sharia law and live happily ever after. this is a centrifugal voice. >> this is why i think voices like rand paul who had an op-ed this week are so misguided. this is not simply an iraqi civil war. an al qaeda stint in northern iraq is a threat to the entire region and a threat to the united states. we already see reports of european jihadis, even american jihadis getting training in a place like this. afghanistan was -- the taliban was a state sponsor of al qaeda. this is al qaeda itself in control. >> if it is that large a threat -- and i agree with you -- then why not reach out to iran as some in the administration want to do, to help mitigate that threat? where would you put the very -- is that al qaeda stand potential at the top, followed by iran? >> why not deal with iran to