co-founder much the black lives matter movement that group shut down the mall of america. some of those people have also shut down traffic in cities like new york and l.a. do they have a right to continue to disrupt people's lives and businesses like this? my the question i have to ask what is victory. continue until we reach victory. ought of all of these race baiters, insta gaters you don't know what the actual victory means it them. does it mean burning down your own community and shutting down businesses so you don't have economic development? does it mean sitting there and stopping cap tammism and destroying people's christmas holiday spirit or shopping at the mall? or in this case does it mean being absolutelily irrelevant and hurting the people who did everything and basically sacrificed their lives to protect yours. what is victory to the other side? >> well, i'm not sure that's an answerable question. i think it's more about protest, first amendment a.