you study the thing you really want to do. what do you think about that, kirsten? >> i think that's right. when i went to college, i didn't come out with this kind of debt. i don't know how you can do kit especially in a job market where there really aren't that many jobs to start with. you're at such a disadvantage in terms of doing what you really want to be able to do. >> my best friend andrea over there? >> we are friends. [laughter] but you know what? these kids don't get to be a member of the harvard club like you, which is lovely. 44th street down the road. >> it is pretty nice. >> i love this study, i do, because when i talk to interns and they say what do i do, i'm not in an ivy league school, i say, you know what? it doesn't matter. it's what you put into it, it's your effort it's your determination. look, it's incredible. i mean, i couldn't get into harvard, and it's great bragging rights, but i think the message is you don't have to go to one of these i've a i have league schools and put yourself in debt. everything is within reach. >> all right, call it the don draper effect why psychologists