anemic to 4% or 5%. that would be huge. there's also the spending equation. that's base line budgeting where every government agency increases spending every year. if you reduce the rate of increase somehow you're evil and you're cutting money for seniors. >> yeah. >> when are we ever going to get that part of the budget under control? and what would you do? >> the first thing is, i've always advocated for is a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. we came within one vote in 1995. the house had passed it. the senate was within one vote of passing it and one republican senator switched his vote. >> who? >> it was mark hatfield. >> i remember. >> the day he switched his vote i called for his resignation as the chairman of the committee. i wasn't the most popular 2-month-old senator at the time by calling a 20-year-old veteran to resign his position. but that's how passionately i felt about it. it was a betrayal to the american public. >> i agree. >> we're going push this as president of the united states. i believe we need to do reform.
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