>> tucker, how can i possibly make a case to the trump administration that he ought not walk away from the paris climate accords? >> you don't even know what it is. [laughs] >> how could i possibly make a point in a way that would want him listen to me? it's not about who can make better points, this guy has a platform, he has control of the country and can do whatever he wants, no matter what he wants. it's not about whether i can convince him and the administration that it's wrong, it's about whether i can make sure that he feels enough pressure that he won't do it, and doomed the future of our planet. >> so, what you are articulating is in politics, its nihilism. you are saying that none of this matters. whoever has the gun, is the guy in charge. that is what you are saying. >> tucker, that is exactly what i am not saying. i have convictions. i would like to express them on terms that are not set by my opponent. you understand what i mean? >> i think we can all agree on these terms. rational, elucidated fact-based debate.