so unions have to manufacture crisis like this so they can appear relevant. why $15? why not 25? it was 12. the reason it looks good on a poster. instead of fixing minimum wage long-term, they rather do this because every few years they can come along and say, hey, we're defending the worker. the problem right now, though, is we lost 8 million jobs to automation manufacturing. not outsourcing. robots. we're going to lose more of that of these minimum wage-level jobs. need to be preparing their people for this and spending time getting them qualified instead of just trying to bring more people into unions for survival. >> emily, if they get a big minimum wage increase, many of these businesses, they end up having to cut jobs, automate, or raise prices. that doesn't help anybody. >> absolutely. and that is what big labor is not explaining. so you have to feel for these people who are working so hard feeling like they're not getting ahead and big labor is