>> it depends on what your definition of is. >> does buckley do it for them? >> really, buckley is a border r killer. >> is of the first rule of proud boys is told, what is it, not talk about it? the second rule, sorry everybod everybody. >> the first rule is no james. >> to your point, free speech. whatever he wants to say. if stuff were to really hit the fan and i were in trouble, i don't think that these guys would necessarily be out there saving my life for rescuing me. i could probably turn to some of the heroes out there that i met in army garrison when i was in germany talking to some of our army, our soldiers out there. they don't seem like people that would actually go out and -- or i would want to go to to try and help or say. they seem like a bunch of -- actually, they seem like a whiny