for her to go that far, it is out of balance. there is no -- if you cannot make that comparison. >> martha: if someone had suggested that president obama might eventually want to take out a reporter in a serious question to a member of congress, matt, can you imagine what the ramifications of that would've been like? >> what, i'm not defending what katie said. i think it did go too far. i will say, that just isn't right. the president himself was defending putin, as he has on multiple occasions, for reasons no one can quite explain. >> i can explain it to you! >> i let you talk. he compared putin to the united states, when it was pointed out by somebody on this network that putin had murdered journalists -- >> i don't think you could have the president of united states calling a forward made or are demonizing a foreign leader, calling him a killer. it would not be an appropriate