going to take over, but none of y'all listen to because, i don't know. >> that's why we like him, devore. just keep thinking this has nothing to do with your party's candidate and you will make -- >> tell me about how this is how trump won. >> i didn't say why it was white trump won. >> that is the usual response. >> i'm not the usual person. >> most people said i'd vote for her again the same night of the election. they say twice three times... >> i get it. >> tom, you said trump few enough to take out those ads early on. >> yeah. >> i remember you saying during the election, "political ads don't work." >> i think the political ads had less to do with it. i think it was more about the -- i'm not going to say zeitgeist zeitgeist -- >> please don't say that. kevin, you said you didn't get a study to tell all this. but people who do studies have to make a living, don't they