blanket way support anything the president or his family members say. >> neil: you're always indebted to that president, right? the guy picked you, made you vice president, made you a step away from the presidency. when controversy swirls, everybody is scrutinizing you. how do you show the different? it was hard for herbert humphrey and lyndon johnson. >> pence is pulling it off. he's supporting president trump. he was quite supportive of a president in a speech today. it's wouldn't call it a rah-rah nature to his support. his sticking to policy. listen to things that pence said. his speeches. in his conversations with lawmakers on capitol hill, he's a policy guy and sticking to promoting the agenda. he's popular on capitol hill.