[cheers and applause] doesn't look bad, hey, we are hanging. in we are hanging in there, right? together we are hanging in. >> martha: all right. joining me mee now town hall.com editor guy benson and charlie hurt a once never trumper and an always trumper. charlie, very interesting to look back, you know, to just a couple years ago when he was a candidate. he was not even really allowed to go there and speak. >> absolutely. and to be sure it was a hostile takeover in the months and year after that cpac when he was not able to come here. but, you know, when you look back to the past 20 years, conservatives and republicans had spent so many elections putting -- investing everything in either principled conservative or partisan loyal republicans and we just wound up either losing races or with more and more sort of liberal tax and spend policies. and i think that finally conservatives got frustrated and said, you know, we will take a flier on this guy.
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