believe that if you're black in america, have you no ability to change your circumstances or to be whatever you choose to be. and he points to two people, michael jackson and kanye west who have effectively reached the pinnacle. why not point to barack obama and tell us all that barack obama couldn't become because that's essentially where he is at. if he really wanted to do a dissection of this particular subject, barack obama is a perfect example of it. steve: real quickly, kevin, would he have had a problem with council yea west if kanye west support you had hillary rodham clinton. >> of course not. that's what the contradiction is as long as you support the powerful white person who has got the democrat after their name, you're fine. but support donald trump, and it's bad. look, a they are very afraid, steve as you know. steve: kevin jackson joining us from phoenix where it's really early. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. steve: before the top of the hour on this tuesday.
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