around how many missiles they have, what they're going to declare. what we need here and we heard sarah sanders say the goal is denuclearization. if both sides don't agree to what that means, we won't get there. for the united states, it needs to be complete and irreversible and this is key, verifiable. so until you have transparency and declarations from the north koreans about specific amounts of material, where their sites are and until the intelligence community confirms that, we're not actually making progress. we'll see if secretary pompeo can make more inroads, this is part of building good will. we shouldn't mistake that for actual progress. >> shepard: for them, in the past, prior to this administration when things like this have happened, the screaming from whoever the opposition party has been and goes both ways, you can't appease them, this is helpful for him. any destabilization that might have happened because the people are tired and hungry and mad at