look, this is going to be emblematic. when it comes to juris prudence they are topnotch. they will go after questions of biography. paul: kethledge is less known than the others because he has worked out on sixth circuit. he has written on property rights, strong con cities -- constitutional background too. kethledge and kavanaugh have the most experience. hardiman interviewed the first time, he's somebody who has an appealing background, likes him personally, maybe not the same level of jurist prudential and