them to swallow. >> yeah. totally. i completely relate to that. i have teenage kids. one of them is going to college and one graduated from high school and went to work on a farm in idaho. he's phenomenally successful. making money, driving a combine. he's learning skills. i have to tell you, if a lot of kids who are in college today saw what my son is doing today on the farm, they would be so jealous and probably want to do it themselves. there's lots of ways to succeed. >> dana: my cousins that still ranch in new castle, wyoming, they're on the combine and doing well. what is the name of your podcast? >> it's the arthur brooks show. you can get it on itunes. the point of the show is that point should disagree with each other. that's america. that we should have big disagreements but do so without hating each other. every episode has neurologists, psychologists and experts and everyday people talking about