you get out. >> who is rod rosenstein's principle accuser? andy mccabe. what is andy being investigated for? lying. this is hardly the person that you want to hold up as a principle accuser to dislodge or otherwise interfere with the person running the doj. brian: who does baker work for? the fbi. >> correct. a lot of stuff is tangled like this. i think that rosenstein is doing the right thing by taking a step back. even though i agree with the motivation of a lot of the republicans. steve: judge, it sounds like i was willing to come if it was an informal meeting, kind of off the record. not sworn testimony. but when it became clear the republicans wanted him to be under oath, he said, you know what? we're having a schedule problem. >> they don't want to go. they are coequal branches of government. can he resist them. they haven't subpoenaed him. steve: is he worried about a perjury trap? >> i don't know what is he worried about except that he