kim jong un or whatever world leaders happened to be. does it show weakness that joe won't do a joint press or with vladimir because i think that's a sign of great weakness. >> of course it does. the fact that you are not prepared to stand six or 8 feet from your adversary and tell the world what it is you talked about, the things you care about and why you care about themselves ignoring us weakness and we shouldn't forget that it's the ayatollah where she's in pain, they smell weakness and when they can sniff it, the deterrence model that america successful defense depends upon can walk away, these folks will drive a truck through it. if they cannot respond and it might be hard or tricky why your adversary's standing a few feet away from you, that's an enormous sign of weakness. >> and you would relish the fact, challenge them on these