italys. it's time to stand up to russia. we need our nato allies to help us on this cyber security issue. >> charles: to your point, one of the ironies, you can google the list. russia had the list already. they hit a massive oil infrastructure product, our food distributor, the world's largest and don't forget the solar winds attack. it's so weird. then what i found interesting is vladimir putin's comments. he said to reporters that he and president biden had consultation on the issue, cyber security and came up with an agreement. he was vague on what that was. it seems he's come away from this meeting with a whole different interpretation than we're hearing from the administration. >> putin is absolutely just an incredible propagandist. he's a seasoned veteran. he knows what he's doing.