good to have you both back. >> good to be here, shannon. >> we have a couple of sides of the argument about what is causing all of this crime. and then a former police chief you may. >> we believe that essential driver violence is gun violence and as the use of guns, oversee that statistically in a lot of areas. >> we don't have a gun problem, but what we have is a criminal problem. we need to address that. >> what do you think there because you hurt and kevins reporting there there was a fraternal order of policeman that said were not going to enforce the gun laws that we have now. >> when i was in congress with trey gaudi and jay radcliffe, this is a big issue they kept bringing up, why don't you come of the department of justice actually enforce the laws that are already on the books so if joe biden tomorrow is going to put out a dragnet to try to cur back gun trafficking, i think h