>> mules, mules, mules, donkey and a horse? >> mule, donkey and a horse. >> donkey? >> donkey can reproduce a donkey. done two don kkeys. >> he liked to touch people. >> strange. 44 past the hour. >> who needs donald rumsfeld on your show if you get the recap. >> he just chose not to do us. >> one of the strongest interviews you will ever see. andrea mitchell on former secretary of defense don rumsfeld. she didn't let him off the hook on one passage from that book. it was a terrific interview. >> was it really? >> wow. >> go, andrea. >> i bet he's sorry he went there. maybe "morning joe" wouldn't be as tough as he thought it would be. a tough guy, doesn't want to do our television show and then he