stalemate here. and as soon as the aerial assets are removed, i believe then we're going to see about what we saw two weeks ago when gadhafi was on the outside and benghazi about to take that place. in war fare, aerial assets are key. but you've also got to have guys on the groupd that know what they're doing and can actually come and take and hold the territory. >> jamie, back on the ground then. let's put out a hypothetical that arms do make it to the rebels. long term, what might be some of the considerations? >> there's an old saying that says the enemy of my enemy is my friend. and the united states has had a history of giving arms and supplying munitions to smaller groups that oppose larger groups that we didn't necessarily care for. the afghanistan campaign back in the '80s where we're working against the soviets is a good example of that. what we find later is those munitions last longer and the weapons last longer than the conflict did, and we wind up seeing those things turned around and used on us.