but it says a lot about the voters. can the republicans control their own primaries? remember, the primaries did in the republican party when the tea party took over them. they're seeing that they can have problems getting a candidate out even if they had one and right now they don't even have one. >> do you worry that you could bring your heavyweight candidates that you don't particularly find exciting like paul lenty and romney, even though they're not exciting to you and don't turn you on, john, do you think since they're serious candidates they may suffer when they meet the actual paper? you know why didn't the dog eat the dog food with all the advertising? he didn't like it. could it be that they don't like these -- what's really going on is people are going chaotic out there and giving trump all this attention. he's up to third now or actually tied for second in the national poll last week because they're really saying no to mitt romney. it's really a statement romney is so boring, we're willing to go with this flash right here. we're looking at him. he's exciting. >> well, i think donald trump is very exciting. i think he's very much an outsider.