budget. so i think it is fair to say as -- i think this is what the leader pelosi was talking about on yesterday, to an extent to which we are dealing with these proposals, both coming from bowes, simpson, from ryan, and the one we put forward as democrats, so medicare is being discussed throughout all of these proposals. >> well, you know, last week and the week before republicans were running away from paul ryan's proposal, and then tried to patch it up. newt gingrich comes out, takes a shot at it and they're all really jumping all over his case. this certainly must make the democrats feel that they have fallen into a very good situation here. >> well, i think that this indicates that the dishonesty on