killing medicare. and he has now voted with almost the entire republican caucus in the senate to make the national debt $21 billion worse than it would otherwise be in order to keep paying taxpayer subsidies the most profitable industry the earth has ever known. in a political environment where people are so freaked out about the debt and the deficit that conservatives want to sell utah and burgle ft. knox. you've only got 11 minutes and 14 seconds exactly. go, go, go. joining us now is ezra klein, columnist for "the washington post" and "newsweek," also an msnbc contributor. great to have you here. thanks for joining us. >> good evening, rachel. >> so would liquidating federal buildings and selling off parts of utah and burgling the gold at ft. knox, would be it substantively helpful for bringing down the deficit? >> i think it's thinking a little small, though, don't you? it's what about utah brought to you by walmart. look at all this federal property that we have that people can sponsor. look.