>> you, too. >> i've been there. how do you change their minds? i've seen it. seen it in my in-box. it's scary. >> you are also getting a motivated part ever base. yes, i think it's possible. look at dick cheney to the left of barack obama on this issue. by the way, ken, former rnc chair. republicans made it happen in new york. not just republican votes on the senate floor. behind the scenes and republican money. there is absolutely a shift going on and time to did a -- >> there is no congressmen who are pro-choice and fiscally conservative. >> you think -- >> i would argue -- i have yet to find a fiscally conservative congressman who's fiscally conservative. >> ron paul. >> well done. >> i think -- playing a trivia game. a pleasure. a good conversation. thank you all. imogene, always a pleasure, tim thank you and congratulations on the book. i believe that you're starting a conversation that needs to be
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