off of dancing shows, that's their calling in the morning when they wake up, it's sad. i believe in a lot of these cases, these guys actually believe the insanity that they spew which in the end creates real hard for all gay, lesbian, transgender and bi americans. >> does it lead to gay bashing and hate speech? >> i think these guys do contribute to it. they'll make fun of it or say things are seriously wrong or people shouldn't be doing things. they want to strip their right to full participation in society. it kind of validates the feelings of some of the people who do more of the attacking, some of the violent attacks. it gives them the kind of leeway, permission to say, i'm not the only one. there's these guys on tv who claim to be full-fledged legitimate psychiatrists when they're spewing rhetoric from 30