be much more formidable. >> but you're being very fair here. aren't you being too fair in a sense that saying that both of these guys equally enjoy the gladtorial aspect of politics? >> no, no, no. >> romney doesn't like this stuff. >> mitt romney's fatal weakness to date has been that he hasn't shown that he can really win a barroom brawl. he won't win the nomination unless he proves that he can do it. i do think with respect to gingrich, you know, chuck mentioned, he's under attack from the social conservative right on the ground out in iowa. he's also under attack sort of from above the elite of the party in washington and new york, under ordinary rules, no candidate could surmount this kind of -- survive this kind of challenge. what gingrich has to bet is that these are the conventional rules do not apply, this is not a conventional year, this is not a conventional moment and an unconventional candidate can