defeated. i think it's a little bit of a mistake to see this as a grassroots versus good corporation. >> a fair point. >> some big corporations versus some other big corporations, you know? i don't think that if you had companies like google and all of these huge technology companies on the site of the angels on this issue that you would have had much movement. >> that is right. these corporations had people with them. google i think is more of what you're saying where they sort of said they just moved people to their black box but a lot of these groups are dedicated groups of users who trusted them and believed in them. you said in a way they became and already have a dimension of them where they are sort of organizing notes and they use that to sort of use later that groups like google got on board. >> in some ways -- right. what was so novel about this, right? the reason there is a quote in the politico, unnamed lobbyist saying we're used to massing our armies against the other side's armies and prepared for