unemployment in the banking system and their role in that. finances being attributed to it, whether it's incorrect or correct is irrelevant. it's being talked about. the same time, the housing crisis. >> i think that the freddie mac thing is well absorbed into the american public. >> what do you mean? >> i think a lot of people know freddie mac and fannie mae helped to distort the market in such a way that created this housing bubble. >> it was a component. they were a facilitator. >> but the bain capital thing it, i think newt has a harder road when he's trying to say mitt made a profit and some people lost jobs. that works in the circles of the world, but does it work?