one of the things we had last time was a former offender who included child soldiers, done horrible things. a horrible juvenile history. a lot of people who turn their lives around and some of them the most effective advocates for the risks that we have in our society. you make a case for flogging. i wonder if it's on unusual punishment factors in to how expansively we can think about what we should be doing? >> the point of what i'd like to say is i'm not actually pro flogging, i'm pro-choice.
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