to get it all to this way, like here. once i get it like this, i'll show you. >> i think it amazes me how fast it can be made and sometimes who it's used for. sometimes for us, sometimes for another inmate. >> you have to have hair go into the bottom of this thing or else it will start smoking real bad. then you bring it here. let it get into the cold water and it hardens it. makes it stronger. look it. that is what you're trying to come out with. what we do here, you can either put a tip on it right here, sharpen it down on the concrete, to where you'd have a piece that -- and it's actually -- >> this wouldn't even be