a democrat. to have somebody come in and basically just -- do we even know if this person had a particular knowledge of john separate? why did they pick him? >> when i asked him that, he didn't really know. his idea was look, if you take out the budget committee chairman, you going to undermine the entire fiscal policy of the entire democratic policy, especially the president, president obama. he thought it came down simply to that. it was obviously a big trophy in 2010. >> the funny thing is, i'd say funny in the worst way. spratt made sure there was a budget every year in the house. he came through. unlike the senate, he actually delivered on the job even though it was tough to do it. he has always been a moderate and smart guy. this is a real loss. it's really political terrorism, this kind of money going in with no name on it. any way, thank you. from "the new york times". up next, if you think mitt romney's getting hurt on bain capital, just wait until the democrats start hitting him for supporting paul ryan's budget plan.