what's worse? is the president's campaign calls this an achievement. do you think raiding medicare to pay for obama care is an achievement? >> no! >> do you think empowering a board of bureaucrats to cut medicare is an achievement? >> no! >> neither do i. medicare should not be used as a piggy bank for obama care. medicare should be the promise that it made to our current seniors period, end of story. [ cheers and applause ] >> okay. so we are hearing what has been described by at least one of my guests here at the table as a ballsy conversation, in which congressman ryan goes directly to the issue of talking about and speaking about medicare in a retirement community called the villages near orlando, florida. let me bring back david, karen, katon and matt.