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really lonely, is because they want to try to get, put this issue of the differences on medicare behind them. that says to me, i certainly don't compare ryan to sarah palin, but again, there's this -- it's not just a do no harm, you have to be able to move the ball down the field past the first 48, 78 hours and keep that momentum going. >> it feels like the other thing going here at the end of the news cycle, friday night, is the tax returns. so now we've got ryan, right, showing up with two years of tax returns, paying at least a 15% rate. when you read ryan's tax returns, man, he's downright middle class compared to his running mate. so again you stay on the side -- >> the higher tax rate again than mitt romney and trying to justify it by saying, i think he was saying romney has already paid. he's paying taxes twice because he earned it as income and is doing it, but that's not true because of the carried interest loophole on the private equity stuff, most of romney's earnings
alzheimer's. medicare was there for our family, for my grandma, when we needed it then. and medicare is there for my mom while she needs it now. and we have to keep that guarantee. my mom has been on medicare for over ten years. and i will tell you exactly how many years over ten years she's been on it. she plays tennis every week, she exercises every day. she planned her retirement around this promise that the government made her because she paid her payroll taxes into this program, which she had this promise with. that's a promise we have to kee keep. here's what the president won't tell you about his medicare plan. about obama care.
down ballot are still playing a little bit of defense. highcamp is the only one to show how to effectively turn that around. >> you saw how effectively the republicans showed this jujitsu on medicare and the tax, the effect on seniors. >> there's no cuts being done by anyone in medicare. medicare is growing enormously under anyone's plan. it is around $550 billion a year today. it's going to go even under the to supposed ryan plan to $950 billion ten years from now. then they talk about slowing the growth after that. so we do have to get in nerdland to -- >> that's right. >> we have to get real about this. >> but the solvency of medicare is not a one-sided question. this is true at any given budget debate. there's certainly the question of cost control but there's also the question of resources. this is when we try to make it on the individual level, you can get a second job, bring in more
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and essentially they said, my favorite of the lessons learned is bring a third party value day or the, maybe mom. they had a candidate who basically used his mom as validator. here's where the romney plan ended up which was the double speak. they were talking about the $760 billion that obama takes out and they say puts it into obama care. well, it actually goes into obama care for medicare to reduce costs, it's waste fraud and abuse, reduces cost. as of friday on that lovely etch-a-sketch or whiteboard that we had. >> i have brought a whiteboard in case anyone would like to make any points, kaden, if you are into this. that's okay. >> so what romney essentially by the end of the week was saying is i'll restore that 760 billion and we are going to approve the program in ten years. so why not go ahead and put that money like president obama wants to in right now? >> this is part of the blil brilliance of the language of obama care.
the president raised $716 billion from the medicare program to pay for the obama care program. once more, in addition to that, he puts a board of 15 unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in charge of medicare who are required to cut medicare in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. you want to know what medicare is saying about this? from medicare officials themselves, one out of six of our hospitals and our nursing homes will go out of business as a result of this. 4 million seniors are projected to lose their medicare advantage plans that they enjoy and they chose today under this obama care plan.
weren't taxed twice. and the idea that the guy is making $20 million a year at a time of trillion deficits, ten years of war, and is trying to cut taxes further on the top. how do you defend that? >> i'll let you defend it when we get back. >> thank you. >> but when you are faced with a proposed drastic change in medicare and you go to speak to a group of elder will any florida, there's a word for that. i'm told the word is called p s putsspa. we'll go live to congressman paul ryan in florida. when we come back. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day.
hear that pivot. no, it's not about my medicare plan, it's about obama care. and he just does it each and every time. is that a debate or is that sort of an unfair characterization or is it fair? >> it's the best thing the republicans can do. it is kind of clever, usually they are putting their head in a noose. ryan, to his credit, medicare does need to be reformed in the long-term. that's not by big beef with him, it's the cutting taxes on the 1% and slashing programs for the poor. but there's no question from the progressive side medicare's growth has to be slowed. so the idea that they are trying to go on offense and try to mud by the water enough so people aren't sure exactly where it lies, it is an interesting strategy. i think because people don't trust republicans ultimately on medicare. it will be a loser for them, but i think it's the best hand they can play. >> i'm sorry, you put democrats on defense on obama care and unfortunately we know a lot of democrats, a lot of candidates
what's worse? is the president's campaign calls this an achievement. do you think raiding medicare to pay for obama care is an achievement? >> no! >> do you think empowering a board of bureaucrats to cut medicare is an achievement? >> no! >> neither do i. medicare should not be used as a piggy bank for obama care. medicare should be the promise that it made to our current seniors period, end of story. [ cheers and applause ] >> okay. so we are hearing what has been described by at least one of my guests here at the table as a ballsy conversation, in which congressman ryan goes directly to the issue of talking about and speaking about medicare in a retirement community called the villages near orlando, florida. let me bring back david, karen, katon and matt.
i'm taking money from you to go care for president obama as opposed to what the plan is actually called, in fact, not a plan, a law that's been upheld now by the supreme court. i think i teased you previously, but i don't think that you guys like mitt romney much, which is to say republicans were relatively cool about romney and the ryan rollout is supposed to be about getting this enthusiasm and energy back, we saw it initially at the u.s.s. wisconsin, but has it fallen apart this week? can ryan bring folks together, particularly if he's going to the weak point, the trust deficit for the medicare question? >> we do like mitt romney. i did work for newt gingrich and i did work for rick perry and am proud of both of those men and our service there, but we did in the campaign election try to tear his arms off and do everything we could. we tried to push him to the far right, we did. one thing i found with mitt romney is this guy is pretty tough. i mean, he can take a punch. we have thrown everything we can throw at him and he won. and whether he was the most conservative candidate or not,