has taken aggressive steps including drone strikes and so forth to combat terrorism and yet there's very little debate about the civil liberties aspect to all of this. from the aclu's perspective here, how do you grade the administration thus far? >> well, alex, of course we start with the aclu by joining all americans today in remembering the unspeakable losses of 11 years ago, and as we reflect back on the lost turbulent decade i think we have to acknowledge and grapple with the fact that the post-9/11 era was a path that we took -- we took a wrong turn in this path. we turned to policies of torture and now targeted killing of guantanamo and military commissions, of warrantless government spying and religious and racial profiling, and those policies and programs not only define the post-9/11 era, but they are not who we are, nor are they who we want to be. and in -- we're at another pivotal point now in an election year, marked by hyper