position. and i think what they have to do, joe knows a lot more about this than i do, they have to reform within and not seem like a party that is getting smaller and narrower and the opening to that party is getting much, of narrower. they have to open it up to a lot more people. >> joe, they obviously saw the polling on taking on the debt ceiling. taking on the debt ceiling, but i am sure that you would challenge david and president obama with what will force his hand to cut spending beyond what he's done, which you saw in the polling, americans do want as much as they want compromise. >> they do want that to happen. i do want to follow up, though, on something david said earlier, what americans want more. and actually ranesh, of the "national review" would hold that view. and actually some would agree, and that is that vision. >> i still hold that.