state gun trade takes place. so, if you look at a place like new york and look at the neighborhoods where it remains gun violence in spite of the rapid climb of violence crime, the guns were purchased legally in virginia. >> right. >> and we have enormous, we have very good gun laws in new york city and new york state. they were purchased legally in virginia. if you go to brooklyn and talk to 16-year-olds about guns, they will tell you, yeah, so and so goes to virginia, buys them legally in the state of virginia. >> then you are able to transport them across the state line on i-95. >> they are illegal once they are here. they were legal in the state of virginia. you see the same relationship between places that have big cities with gun problems with good gun laws and surrounding our nearby states that aggressively defend their