will they go for a ceo or chairman of the board sort of figure and then hoping or believing he would be the right person to pick a tough operating officer who would clean up the problems? >> well, in this case i agree with george. i think that they do need a pastor -- i think all the qualifications george laid out would mean jesus would have to be in the conclave running for pope, but i think somewhere short of that they need a good pastor and someone who can convince the world, but i think a deeper problem that the people in the conclave -- the cardinals in the conclave will confront is the question about themselves. how do they become credible religious leaders at a time when the church is really, i think, besieged by the scandal. how do they regain authenticity, how do they regain the trust of the community? i think it's going to be a central -- it's an underlying question, and one that's more reflective than what kind of manager and what kind of, you know, internal management do you need, but i think that's a central question to it.