shape, assuming he runs. >> my bigger point is, obviously, progressives on the coast would, like max baucus to have been more liberal but a statement that mitt romney carried by 20 percentage points. >> right. >> it's sort of reverse of what we have been talking about as far as the republican party goes. >> interesting state, though. it's a very complex one. bill clinton won it. the unions are strong there. it's a western state. it's very libertarian, but it's also -- has a long history of progressiveness. don't forget, they had a campaign finance level which prevented corporations from giving money and they have had it for a hundred years, until the supreme court threw it out last year. so montana is a very complicated state, a very interesting state. and i do not think it is a deep red state like utah is. i think it's a state that could be won by either party. >> howard, why are so many democrats retiring? six democrats in the senate. why? >> most of of it is age. a lot have been there for a long