challenge interview, is it not? >> yes, sir. >> and that was the whole purpose of setting it up the way you set it up and where and when you set it up and with whom you set it up? >> not specifically intended for that, but we didn't plan a challenge interview. it was just another interview. there could have been more, but i was, it wasn't as formatted at that, but yes, that's usually the way it turns out to be. >> i don't want to misspeak. you're not suggesting that your intent here wasn't to challenge him as best you can to see if you can break him, right? >> i was gentle. the challenge, when you say challenge interview, i'm thinking more, if i had something to challenge him with, at this point i'm still not quite ready to challenge him. >> well, you know, for example, you start the interview out by saying you've heard of murphy's law, right? >> correct. >> thisser. was not doing anything bad. you don't know the person or the name of the person that died, right? >> first of all, without going