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Further into anything at all but you were just going to present mr. martin as good as you can to mr. zimmerman for that same type of challenge interview style, right? >> i didn't know anything other than that about mr. martin. so that was, yeah, that was a baseline saying that i just wouldn't consider it a completely challenge interview in that context. >> and again, this is why you had mentioned the name in the interview making sure you reminded george of his name to sort of personalize the passing of somebody? >> absolutely. >> and again, that's a bit of a psychological move just to again tr...

Challenge interview, is it not? >> yes, sir. >> and that was the whole purpose of setting it up the way you set it up and where and when you set it up and with whom you set it up? >> not specifically intended for that, but we didn't plan a challenge interview. it was just another interview. there could have been more, but i was, it wasn't as formatted at that, but yes, that's usually the way it turns out to be. >> i don't want to misspeak. you're not suggesting that your intent here wasn't to challenge him as best you can to see if you can break him, right? >> i was gentle. the challenge, when...

>> no, he was available. >> all right. did you notice a similar behavior we're calling it now this flat affect behavior even in the video, as well? >> no, avenues a little animated. >> a little bit more resolved? >> you could use that word, yes. >> and focus on the recreation and let me ask you to point out for the jury inconsistencies that you noticed when the two types. the first is tell me the significant, tell the jury the significant inconsistencies between that recreation video and what he had told you the night before, right? let's just start there. >> okay. my interview with him, let m...

Intent, are you talking so intent? i mean. >> no, but -- >> it wasn't intent. >> you want to get more information from him too. >> yeah. there was a lot of information i didn't have to choolg him with but yes that's one of the ip intentions behind that interview. >> you would agree that the style of theft interview as we've just heard it is a more aggressive style you have interview that you took on because you wanted to get some information from mr. zimmerman to challenge him on what he knew and didn't know, right? >> you could say that, yes. >> will you say that? >> it was more challenging t...

That's where you walk into the guy who just you know, stole eight cars in the neighborhood. >> exactly. >> and you have his fingerprints on six of them and he's just telling you he was in the library studying? >> correct. >> so that challenge interview as you walk in and go, you got one last chance, you're going to prison for a long time or you're telling me what happened. that's a real aggressive challenge interview, correct? >> yes, sir. >> so you have to modify the challenge interview style based on what it is you have to hit him with. >> exactly. >> had in this case, you didn't have much t...