intent, are you talking so intent? i mean. >> no, but -- >> it wasn't intent. >> you want to get more information from him too. >> yeah. there was a lot of information i didn't have to choolg him with but yes that's one of the ip intentions behind that interview. >> you would agree that the style of theft interview as we've just heard it is a more aggressive style you have interview that you took on because you wanted to get some information from mr. zimmerman to challenge him on what he knew and didn't know, right? >> you could say that, yes. >> will you say that? >> it was more challenging than the first interview. >> okay. >> but on the scale of challenging interviews, it was mild. >> you've had challenging interviews that were much more in the person's face, correct? >> usually when i had something more than what i had. >> and i was just going to say,