statedly, wide open, i was invited to be an expert witness in the senate committee hearing along with one of the antiabortion attorneys from notre dame and he was very forthright about we want this case to be challenged, we want it to go to the fifth circuit and end up in the supreme court. i think that's by design something our opposition is looking strategically to have happen in the state of texas. >> especially in a big state of texas and potentially facing losing such a huge proportion of the clinics that provide this service right now, do you think women will go to extreme measures to try to get abortions illegally or in mexico or through some other means if they can't get to the clinics they've been used to going to? >> absolutely. wro you know what i've always said, women started having safe abortion after roe. this law doesn't do anything to change the need for abortion or address unplanned pregnancy. whether or not women have access to safe abortion, the same amount of texas women are still going to need abortions and what